The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". At SHOT Show, George and Scott Trulock of Trulock Chokes showed me their new Boar Blaster buckshot choke tube. Great load for Hunting, Home Defense or Tactical Shooting. 50% tighter group @ 10 yards than my non PC buckshot. (Again this pattern with with the 18.5" Benelli with the IC choke) Attached File In apartments and houses one must always be concerned with over penetrationwho is on the other side of the wall. My buddy runs a Benelli M4 with the MOD choke and gets consistent 7" patterns with it. Generally 00 buck will open up about 1 per yard traveled with a cylinder bore 12 gauge. In many reduced-sized patrol cars, a shorter barrel only makes sense because a traditional 18- or 20-inch-barreled shotgun is simply too big to fit in the passenger compartment. With fed. Anything under a 20 gauge should not be considered. I tried it with the basic cheap, unbuffered, unplated 9-pellet load of Winchester 00 buck (George said it worked on all buckshot from cheap to premium) and it definitely outshot my Modified choke at 40 yards, putting 4-6 pellets of a 9-pellet load into the vitals of a deer. The penetration guys believe that larger buckshot is more lethal because it penetrates better. I stopped using the stuff when I found cheaper shells did much better. Typical patterns for a 410 are the same as a larger gauge . Law enforcement officers today have a wide selection of incredibly powerful tactical flashlights. All between 35 and 60 yards. With No.1 or No.2 Buckshot, its more like 35-40 yards max for a potent load that groups tight. 9 pellets of 00 buck, only 8 of 000. It has been proven over and over it can be easily taken away and disarm the owner Why do you think SWAT and other such entry teams use short barreled firearms when entering and clearing a building? When I began deer hunting we ran deer with dogs and used only shot guns with buck shot. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. In my Remington's, I shoot a Carlson's turkey choke, and 100% of the pattern is in a 20" circle at 40 yards, with 00 and 000 all going in a 15" circle. Then there is the lung shot. They want to take your guns because they plan to do something to you that might cause you to shoot them. I should mention that the stock of the Mossberg 500 prevented me from getting down on the bead sights as much as I wouldve liked, so I tended to shoot a little high using the same center-mass target. You can always shoot a larger shell if your gun holds them, they are just more expensive and have a serious amount of recoil. Because of aerodynamic drag, buckshot spreads radially outward at a rate that is nonlinear with the translational travel of the pellets towards the target. The suddenness of the event will degrade any shooters accuracy and the hit probability of a single projectile weapon will be correspondingly low. The spine and neck are great targets. Not many years ago, 50 yards was considered a long . Determination of hit probability (past the 40 yard distance that was physically tested at) was based upon the average mean radius of the tested 10 shotshell/10 target test groups. Those nine .33-caliber pellets can have serious impact on a human target, and that effectiveness only improves from 75 feet and in. Federal Flite-Control 00 Buck-though that's designed as an anti-personnel load for out to 50 yards through riot guns. I would also suggest full length barrels, to increase accuracy, velocity, and tightness of the groups. By Woody Published on October 11, 2013 in Ammunition Brass Fetcher Ballistic Testing recently conducted an eye-opening ballistic gelatin test of buckshot at 50 yards distance. hembree1 Predator Master Registered: 02/08/11 Posts: 88 . 2-3/4" with Mod. The factory shotshells provide a baseline with which to compare the results achieved with the single buckshot pellets shot into gelatin as a verification of the acceptability of simulating long-range hits with single buckshot pellets shot at reduced velocity. The application referred to here is exactly the one I was looking for and also the exact distances: perfect! Finally, I tried the 3 inch Magnum load. The same concept of bird shot applies here, you can hit with more pellets that will do nothing, or not enough. Too bad we purchased all the 870's with IC barrels before we started issuing 8 pellet. If Federal made their heavier than lead Heavyweight pellets in buck sizes and loaded them with a Flitecontrol wad, who knows how far away you could shoot deer with them. Remington Ammunition Issues a 12-Gauge Premier AccuTip Ammo Recall, FIRST LOOK: Glock Just Very Quietly Unveiled the New Glock 47 Pistol, Police Sidearms: The Handguns of Americas 10 Largest Departments, FIRST LOOK: Rounds Downrange With the new Mossberg Patriot LR Tactical, 5 Common Myths on How to Survive a Gunfight, Understanding Stand Your Ground Laws and Castle Doctrine, Long-Distance Shooting: 5 Must-Know Tips For Spotters & Shooters, IMPACT Experience Events Redefine Your Long-Range Shooting Limits, Sniper Skills: Taking Your Shooting Precision to the Next Level, Self-Defense Myths that Could Get you Killed, 4 Home Defense Myths You Need to Stop Repeating. Having a hit probability greater than chance (greater than 50% of pellets make scoreable hits on target). The more pellets, the greater chance of a killing shot. In a Mossberg 590A1 CYL, I have seen consistent patterns of less than 6". If I were interested in animal control or something like that, would I take a shot at 50 on something? Learn its limitations so that you can operate more effectively in an actual shooting. At our distances this would mean: From the onset, lets put this standard into perspective. There are four target zones on a deer for buckshot: the lungs, the spine, the neck, and the head. I tried Flite-Control w/ LMOD and it threw a pattern the size of a small car, lol. If you are shooting No.3 or No.4 buckshot, you should keep it under 30 yards. And Benny should chime in on this but it has always been my impression that OO is going to pattern tighter than OOO. The #4 would be something for walking in the dark using it as a defensive shell i. Most stock barrels were less than .5 per yard. The full pattern guys like smaller buckshot so they have more pellets in the target. and 9/10 are inside a 20" circle. It was about 14-ish inches on the #1 and around 18 on the #00. Thank for the info in advance. This is typical "cheapo" buckshot that does not use plated shot or buffering material to limit shot deformation. Shotguns increase hit probability by launching multiple projectiles per trigger pull but the limitation is that shotshells can only hold so many spheres or pellets. Yeah, but we were more interested in what the rounds are actually doing at that distance. I just found this; thank you! What is the effective range of 12-gauge 00 buckshot? Hornady Zombie @ 21ft. I think it retarded the wad a bit. Upload or insert images from URL. Thats how animals run off wounded, never to be found. Do notice that at longer ranges, the shotgun loses its ability to kill very rapidly. Some people have the mistaken idea that buckshot is a great option for brush bucking. The load that is a sure killer at 40 yards may be a crippler at 50. The "rule" for a pattern is 1 inch per yard for a full choke. In order to provide a further verification check, a Winchester 1300 12 gauge with 28 barrel (cylinder bore) was shot at 25 yards distance from 10% ballistic gelatin blocks with all shotshell types used in this report. In fact, most of the pattern doesnt cover anything at all. However, if your average shot is 25 yards at. If you can guarantee ranges shorter than this for your situation, the shotgun should be the first choice. . The Boar Blaster seemed to corral enough of the pellets and put them into the vitals to be a worthwhile buckshot choke option. Tested ammunition was: Show more Show. I will take her target shooting, but I am curious if anyone can tell me what to expect. And you will have a horrible time tracking it without much of any blood trail to follow. This variant is very popular and an outstanding home defense and tactical load. I think it has a lot to do with the more gradual constriction of the choke in the M2. Technically, if you combined the penetration of all the pellets in a load of No.4 buckshot and compared it to the combined penetration of 00 buckshot, the No.4 buckshot wins hands down. Buckshot pellets must be copper-plated or made of high antimony lead and feature an effective wadding system in order to be considered to fall into the performance category of spherical buckshot. During my decade at TFB I was fortunate to work with the most amazing talented writers and genuinely good people. Close patterns and solid hits are ideal, the spread is nice, but a good central hit with a tight group brings out the true effectiveness of the round. A 20 gauge . I only had one 3" shell, with a full choke at 20 yards I had one hit in an 8" circle. Ballistic gelatin test results of Buckshot at 50 yards distance.Tested ammunition was:12 Gauge Federal #4 Buckshot 27 pellet (F127 4B) 2 3/4\"12 Gauge Federal Tactical 00 Buckshot 9 pellet (LE132 00) 2 3/4\"12 Gauge Hevi-Shot 00 Buckshot Dead Coyote 9 pellet (42209) 2 3/4\"12 Gauge Hornady Critical Defense 00 Buckshot 8 pellet (86240) 2 3/4\"12 Gauge Remington Express 000 Buckshot 8 pellet (12B000) 2 3/4\"Shot from a Mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun with 20\" barrel length and full choke.Very special thanks to RW for facilitating this test. Given that the analysis done for this report focuses on the lethality/hit probability of the individual shot pellet in the shot cloud, it was necessary to determine how suitably the single-launched buckshot represents the terminal performance of each individual shot pellet expelled from a shotshell. The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! Remingtons Magnum 00-buck load has 12 pelletsabout 1 18 ounces of shotlaunched at almost 1,300 fps. Ive got a Beretta 1301 that actually patterns with #1 at 25 about like what your barrel was doing, so probably about the same thing for that particular gun, but Ive got other shotguns that dont pattern like that. A very small, tight pattern with 000 or 00 buckshot is quite effective, but the smaller the pattern, the greater the possibility of a complete miss. In one memorable shootout from the movie, a desperado is taking off down a street when Mississippi lets loose with his scattergun. Even at 30 feet, the maximum spread with this load was 2.5 inches. I'm sure it depends heavily on the load, but the tests in the video were performed with a full-choked shotgun (a Mossberg 500) to give the test the best odds. #2128756 - 01/27/12 08:22 AM #4 buckshot with modified choke? For example: the 00 buckshot (plated, pattern-controlled) load, on average, spread 6.2 inches from the centerline of the bore by the time the shot pellets had traveled the 40 yards distance. Phil Bourjaily 4 Buck and modified chokes because that is probably what we had. Maybe not with the entire load, but enough to Hmmm, how many rounds are we going to fire to get enough pellets into this block?. My friend dropped a buck at 80 yards two years ago the deer never moved. It has also been proposed that, at distances beyond 25 yards, the pellets would not have sufficient energy to stop a suspect or, for instance, penetrate their leather coat. This is, presumably, due to the fact that as you increase pellet diameter, you also increase the EFFECTIVE %age of antimony with regard to performance (hard for me to word). No, I really havent Woody, but this is an interesting post, thank you. I have never seen a choke quite like it. Out to 50, you are still lethal, youre still getting the majority of the pellets onto someone, if thats what youre shooting at, but youre starting to lose ones off of the target which, depending on what youve got going on, is a problem. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Theres so much misinformation, it doesnt seem to want to go away. 000 is impressive. Posted September 15, 2013 in Ammunition by Steve Johnson with 19 CommentsTags: shotgun. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. In fact, at 25 yards, the 14-inch-barreled 590A1 produced a pattern 1-inch smaller than the 500. Clear editor. As lightly noted by the presenter, the gauge doesnt matter much as far as energy delivered to target by projectiles. A shotgun shooting a slug is also much more precise than a shotgun shooting buckshot. Ill have to find out if my shotgun will accept a choke to tighten up the pattern as none of us can afford new guns. We reserve the right to edit as appropriate, delete profane, harassing, abusive and spam comments or posts, and block repeat offenders. Big, fast, and mean, they keep their energy and danger quite a ways. This isn't very scientific, but the tightest patterning choke I had was an IC Benelli OEM choke that looked all grooved up inside. Especially when you back off to 40 yards or so. 10 Things to Remember When Buying a Tactical Flashlight. With my Rem 11/87 with a Hastings Turkey choke, I print 15" patterns . The Carlson's Remington Buckshot Choke Tube produces dense patterns downrange with 00 BuckShot. Larger buckshot can be effective in the traditional target zone. 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An example of this analysis can be found below for the #1 buckshot deformed sphere: On closer inspection of the zoomed-in portion of Figure 8a and b, we see that a #1 buckshot deformed sphere can be expected to penetrate to 12.0 of gelatin at a velocity of 993 ft/sec. There isnt much out there in 000 buckshot, its never really been popular. but you may find then woefully lacking further . Larger spheres travel further and penetrate further into soft tissue than smaller spheres at any given velocity. Posted September 15, 2013 in Ammunition by Steve Johnson with 19 CommentsTags: shotgun. Since shotguns are deployed in non- spontaneous shootings where law enforcement or military members have the time to access and deploy them, distances in scattergun shootings are going to tend to be longer. This minimum velocity was found in Phase I, the terminal ballistics portion of the testing. A load the Brits developed years ago. *Distance in feet and buckshot spread in inches. All that John Shaft, shoot-from-the-hip, Hollywood crap is just thatcrap. Our agency had tested this load extensively and have found that the more constrictive the choke, (using a standard Remchokes and Benelli CRIO chokes), we get increased pellet deformation we due to the design of the Flite Control wad. Occasionally you'll see a 12-pellet load. henro Registered At 50 yards they lose a tremendous amount of velocity and energy no matter how fast you start them. The shots were taken as a baseline at the FBI standard distance of 10 feet between muzzle and gelatin block. JOHN: Well, we were talking about it and what we wanted to know was, how far out can we take buckshot and still have it pass the FBI heavy clothing terminal ballistics standard? So, thats what we did. 18 to 22 inches penetration in gelatin is the norm. It is perfect for hunting birds and clay targets. Within reasonable distance, the pattern will be tight enough to put several pellets in the pine and the deer will drop right there, you will have some shot in the lungs to finish things off too.Aiming at the center of the neck gives a good spread, but may damage the skull. It has the best practical range of any hollowpoint weapon for deer hunting: about 70 yards. But it's only 50 feet! #4 will have around 21 to 28 pellets. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. The maximum effective range of buckshot is 50 yards. At any practical hunting distance, and with a tight pattern, you can aim in the middle of the neck and have a much better chance. By I specifically chose the companys Federal Premium Maximum load with nine pellets of 00 buckshot. Brass Fetcher 28.3K subscribers 141K views 9 years ago Ballistic gelatin test results of Buckshot at 50 yards distance. 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